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Liang Nuren
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Posted - 2008.03.25 04:26:00 -
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Ok, so a long time ago, they nerfed the Drake by killing its shield recharge time. This was a brutal nerf, and its really affecting the Caldari population's morale.
All of our ships suck at PVP, especially the Drake. It needs its shield recharge time back, please.
:)
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Liang Nuren
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Posted - 2008.03.25 04:30:00 -
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Originally by: Eardianm Seriously?
It can passive tank to gate camp or pve like a champ.
It can ham + buffer and do some badass soloing.
What exactly do you want to fix? What role doesn't it do well enough? Fine as is imo.
Caldari ships are bad at PVP The Drake is a Caldari ship
=> The Drake is bad at PVP.
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Liang Nuren
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Posted - 2008.03.25 04:32:00 -
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Originally by: Marlona Sky Yes. Please, please CCP get rid of the passive tanked drake.
It is severly over powered for what it is, a T1 BC.
Give it a bit better damage output and swing the mighty nerf bat hard at its shield recharge rate.
-Only cowards fly passive tanked Drake-
Yes, please. The Drake needs about +300 PG, and then it needs bonuses of +5% resists, and +5% ROF.
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Liang Nuren
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Posted - 2008.03.25 04:57:00 -
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Originally by: Cpt Cosmic Inside an EPIC thread
It's only epic because the Drake needs a huge boost to make it even remotely capable at anything resembling a whiff of PVP.
It's really a sad panda right now. Such a sad panda makes the Caldari population cry. :'(
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Liang Nuren
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Posted - 2008.03.25 15:44:00 -
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Edited by: Liang Nuren on 25/03/2008 15:45:41 Come on guys, stop hating on the Drake it doesn't need a nerf, it needs a bit boost I mean seriously, how can you possibly say that the Drake is any good at all anything remotely resembling a faint whiff of PVP I mean, what's it going to do, its just going to die horribly to even a frigate because its tank got nerfed so bad and then its just going to tickle a frig with frigate damage but it cant even do that because its just got this horrible explosion velocity and explosion radius and delayed damage that the frig wont even take damage because it will have either speed tanked the missiles because everyone speed tanks everything I mean nano titans can speed tank drakes and even if it did actually not speed tank some ship lol i mean the drake is the only ship in all of eve that cant uber speed tank i mean speed tanks are so overpowered but only to the drake because of crappy missiles and delayed damage i mean the missiles cant even catch up to even an afterburning domi speed mods should totally be removed from the game thats so stupid the drake is like never going to be able to be good at pvp because missiles are so slow that even a titan is dead by the time your missiles get there come on CCP how are we supposed to pvp like this we need a really huge boost please.
Caldari ships suck at PVP Missile ships suck at PVP Tanks are useless in PVP Drake is a Caldari ship + Drake is a Missile ship + Tanks are useless in PVP => Drake sucks at PVP, so boost both its tank and its gank.
New Drake bonuses: +10% resists/level, +10% rof and missile explosion velocity / level
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Liang Nuren
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Posted - 2008.03.25 15:58:00 -
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Originally by: Gypsio III
Quote: New Drake bonuses: +10% resists/level, +10% rof and missile explosion velocity / level
I assume that these are additional bonuses, to go on top of the current shield and kinetic damage bonuses?
Yes, of course and the shield recharge needs to be given back and an 8th missile slot. =)
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Liang Nuren
Black Sea Industries Insurgency
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Posted - 2008.03.25 17:16:00 -
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Originally by: Megan Maynard
Originally by: Lego Maniac bored much liang?
No kidding, all he does is ***** lately.
Nah, all I do lately is try to debunk pathetic Amarrian whiners that try to get everyone else in the game nerfed (forum politicking). There's a difference. :)
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Liang Nuren
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Posted - 2008.03.25 17:32:00 -
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Originally by: Lyria Skydancer
Youve been smokin lately Liang?
Drake:
7x HML MWD, WEB, SCRAM, LSE, Invul, Invul DCII, BCS, BCS, BCS
513 DPS 63,000 EHP
unrigged
How is this a bad BC compared to the other ones? This thread fails. Sorry.
Thats a fail setup because the Drake sucks at PVP. See above for proof.
Also, yes, people will keep posting as long as I do. This is why your "nerf everything not Amarr" threads keep getting posts. It's not because there's anything true about what you're complaining about.
Thank you for finally "getting" it.
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Liang Nuren
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Posted - 2008.03.25 17:35:00 -
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Originally by: Lyria Skydancer What did I complain about now? Is this about the falcons again?
Yes, its because you and a couple of other whiners keep posting and bumping nerf threads (the Falcon threads are among them) - and you made a statement that said people would just let the thread fizzle out after 4-5 posts if it weren't true.
Guess what. You're wrong.
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Liang Nuren
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Posted - 2008.03.25 17:36:00 -
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Originally by: NoNah Oh I hate you Liang. You make my life oh so much harder. You've caused a whole new wave, dammit!
;-)
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Liang Nuren
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Posted - 2008.03.25 18:00:00 -
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Originally by: Derek Sigres Back then you could make one that could tank anything short of smiting by god himself.
BTW, best quote in the thread. ;-) I'm going to put it in my sig when I get a minute.
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Liang Nuren
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Posted - 2008.03.25 18:58:00 -
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Originally by: FawKa
Originally by: Liang Nuren
Caldari ships are bad at PVP The Drake is a Caldari ship
=> The Drake is bad at PVP.
-Liang
Please dont..
As per Erasmus Montanus "You cannot fly A stone cannot fly => you are a stone"
The Drake is fine
There's a problem with your logic, actually. I started off with Caldari ships as a whole sucking at PVP, and then extended that to a specific subset (Drakes).
You're starting off with two unrelated objects, and equating them without establishing a relationship between the sets.
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Liang Nuren
Black Sea Industries Insurgency
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Posted - 2008.03.25 19:20:00 -
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Originally by: FawKa Edited by: FawKa on 25/03/2008 19:07:02 You just always posted fine topics and nice replies which ppl really wasnt able to reject was true. I really dont see why the Drake is this bad for you?
Edit: Not really @ Arbalesttom, but I wont go into a deep theoretic literature debate now
Um, I kinda got the idea for this thread from all the "nerf the XXXXX" threads. Someone in one of those threads said that the threads would just peter out if it weren't true (thus XXXXX needs nerfed). So I set out to prove that kind of statement is false... the Truth has nothing to do with how long a thread goes or how much whining goes into them.
Hell, given enough pages, and you'll gather momentum for you "cause"... regardless of "truth".
Just because 4-5 vocal people think that the Falcon (or any other ship) is overpowered doesn't make it true - or the thread any shorter or flame filled. And FFS, Lyria, Xecequal, and certain others should just freaking stop with the damn forum politicking.
Honestly, I've been growing tired of trying to halt their lies and mistruths.
"All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing"
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Liang Nuren
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Posted - 2008.03.25 21:45:00 -
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Originally by: dAn melax OP = Epic Fail ... PvP some or change the race on gallete which is easy as [ehm] to fly on pvp and pve. Stop whining!
Buy a new sarcasm detector. Yours has obviously been broken.
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Liang Nuren
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Posted - 2008.03.26 01:21:00 -
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Originally by: d3vo the drake doesnt need another missile slot giving it 8 would make an imbalance between the other battlecruisers changing the dps bonus to a rof bonus is better 7.5% increase rof of heavy missiles and heavy assault missiles
Strictly speaking: Switching the damage bonus out for a ROF bonus would increase the Drake's max DPS by 8 1/3% (and up to 33 1/3% for unbonused damage types) - an average of a 27% damage increase across all damage types.
Adding in an eighth launcher would increase overall damage by 14.2%.
Realistically, Kinetic missiles are currently used in 80% of all situations, so you'd really only see a 27% increase in PVE ability.
-Liang -- Naturally, I do not in any way speak for my corp or alliance. |
Liang Nuren
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Posted - 2008.03.26 01:38:00 -
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Originally by: Akita T Edited by: Akita T on 26/03/2008 01:37:08
Nonono, you read it wrong... It's 8th missile launcher slot AND -5% RoF instead of 5% resists AND let's say 250 MW extra to the powergrid. Oh, and a 550 m^3 cargohold. I mean, come on, missile-boat! It's supposed to have more cargo than gunboats ! On top of one extra low slot, of course. Maybe just one extra mid, two would be overkill. You know, unlike everything else, I just said, goes without saying...
Honestly, 8th turret + ROF would only yield a 30% overall damage increase... (37% for unbonused damage types).
I'd say lets do it. :-P
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Liang Nuren
Black Sea Industries Insurgency
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Posted - 2008.03.26 01:43:00 -
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Originally by: d3vo be realistic stop trolling... would be nice to see the noticably weakest tier2 bc get a little boost...
IMO, the Drake is inarguably the best T1 BC... (and yes, I fly it)
-Liang -- Naturally, I do not in any way speak for my corp or alliance. |
Liang Nuren
Black Sea Industries Insurgency
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Posted - 2008.03.26 01:57:00 -
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Edited by: Liang Nuren on 26/03/2008 01:59:03
Originally by: d3vo yet arguably the worst harbinger can easily out dps the drake including 5xhammerheads II mymidon...6 blasters and drone set, tank ship hurricane has a dps and rof bonus, nano cane can kill a drake
The Harbinger will die to the Drake if for no other reason than the Drake having a better tank. The Harby is notoriously hard to fit, and pretty much has to be plated.
The Myrmidon got its teeth kicked in and only has a single damage bonus to medium drones. In all fairness, its like fighting a slightly bigger Vexor. Barring its use on gates to tank, I doubt I'd use the Myrm for anything these days. Wait, the Drake is better on gates too...
The Hurricane is something of a glass cannon. It has a truly pathetic tank, and even if you just fit your Drake for absolute gank, you'll find yourself going through 1.5-2 Hurricanes before they start to break your tank.
Honestly, that's supposing that they *CAN* break your tank.
-Liang
Ed: And a Nanocane will *NEVER* *EVER* kill any sort of Drake pilot that actually shoots at him. He can't speed tank the missiles effectively, and can't deal damage while MWD'ing anyway.
Thus, shoot at him. If he slows down to shoot you, he dies. If he doesn't slow down, he dies due to ineffective speed tank and a lack of a regular tank.
Nanocane is overrated, and this is one of those situations that you just don't get yourself into in one. -- Naturally, I do not in any way speak for my corp or alliance. |
Liang Nuren
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Posted - 2008.03.26 02:01:00 -
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For the record, the Harbinger is BC most able to take down a Drake (and IMO is quite likely the second best BC).
-Liang -- Naturally, I do not in any way speak for my corp or alliance. |
Liang Nuren
Black Sea Industries Insurgency
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Posted - 2008.03.26 02:38:00 -
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Originally by: Hallowed ground Edited by: Liang Nuren on 25/03/2008 00:48:01 I PVP in Drakes, Falcons, Rooks, Scorps, Ravens, and Caracals (roughly in order of usage).
-Liang
Ed: Yes, I am successful, even solo (provided the ship *CAN* solo [falcon]). -- Naturally, I do not in any way speak for my corp or alliance
LOL he says it's his favorite caldari pvp ship and then whines about it needing a boost. Also states that he is successful.
The doctor prescribed "Sarcasm Detection" pills for you to take tonight. Take 2 and read the entire thread tomorrow.
-Liang -- Naturally, I do not in any way speak for my corp or alliance. |
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Liang Nuren
Black Sea Industries Insurgency
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Posted - 2008.03.27 23:22:00 -
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Originally by: RedeyeAce Liang... OMG look what youve gone and started.. i've been non stop laughing throughout the whole of this thread. All I can say is Superb!! I'm anticipating this continuing on for a fair few pages yet!!!
Nice to see the usual suspects in here and not at all surprised by their comments.. shame really. By the way I think youve been a bit rude by not answering the below comment.. not nice to keep a guy waiting now is it..
Edited by: Cpt Cosmic on 25/03/2008 04:59:03
Quote: p-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Such a sad panda makes the Caldari population cry. :'( --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
good old tears of doom :) btw ure hot wanna have some babies?
p.s. While were at it, Perhaps we should discuss the need for the phoon to have 12 high's and 6/6 split and the fitting ability to go with it ..
Heh, sure. :P
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